Little Fish Podcast Episode Notes


Episode 2 - 13 March 2019

Hopes for a landmark US/China trade deal in March are likely to fizzle; but the first quarter of the 21st century and beyond will be about an escalating tech cold war between the rival superpowers. With nothing less than global domination the goal, is there anything left for anyone else? 

We kinda confront a choice between two worlds, neither one very appealing: Silicon Valley’s world where data are available indirectly to the highest bidder because everything is essentially about advertising revenue; and a Chinese model in which the priority ultimately is maintaining the power of the Communist party and your data are available on-demand to Xi Zinping. That’s not a great choice.


Niall Ferguson; renowned global economic historian; Snr Fellow, Hoover Institution


In this episode. Little Fish presenter and digital economy pundit Sandy Plunkett talks with international economic relations expert, Niall Ferguson about the a very 21st century problem – the geopolitics of “Big Tech.”

Battle lines have been drawn around AI, big data and globally expanding e-commerce marketplaces. No matter who’s side you’re on, here’s what you need to know to navigate the US China tech cold war minefield.


Featured in this podcast:


Niall Ferguson: Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and a senior fellow of the Center for European Studies, Harvard, where he served for twelve years as the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History.

He is also a visiting professor at Tsinghua University, Beijing, and the Diller-von Furstenberg Family Foundation Distinguished Scholar at the Nitze School of Advanced International Studies in Washington, DC.

He is the author of fifteen books, most recently The Square and the Tower. His book, Kissinger, 1923-1968: The Idealist, won the Council on Foreign Relations Arthur Ross Prize. He is an award-making filmmaker, too, having won an international Emmy for his PBS series The Ascent of Money.

His latest book, The Square and the Tower: Networks and Power from the Freemasons to Facebook was published in 2017.


Dr. Keyu Jin: Professor of Economics at the London school of Economics. She is from Beijing, China, and holds a B.A., M.A. and Phd from Harvard University.

Keyu’s research focuses on international macroeconomics and the Chinese economy. Multiple academic works have been published in the top academic journals. She sits on the editorial board of one of the leading journals in Economics, The Review of Economic Studies and she has had prior experience at the IMF, the World Bank, the New York Fed, Goldman Sachs, as well as other financial institutions.




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